![]() ![]() We don't have to wait long into the film until we see Bilbo again. ![]() In doing so, he says goodbye to Frodo, leaving him the ring and formally starting the story of TLOTR. After reuniting with Gandalf and establishing the presence and possible danger of the ring, he departs the Shire to go on one last adventure. Yet he doesn't stick around very long in the first part of The Fellowship. In fact, the first movie starts with a reasonably lengthy introduction by Bilbo himself. Or perhaps he was told tales by elves whose memories of the Elder Days have faded and so their stories were a bit off.To be fair to Jackson's films, Bilbo is not ignored as a character. Perhaps Aelfwine was told the tales of the First Age, as we know them and recorded by Bilbo, by elves who never experienced the Second and Third. However, the stories in The Book of Lost Tales (collected and published in two volumes) are the prototypes or first drafts of what would be eventually published in The Silmarillion (Bilbo's translations). I do not think he is considered canon (insofar as there is an accepted canon), but I don't believe there's anything in the Thain's Book framing device to contradict his tale. Maybe you're thinking of Aelfwine the mariner, who in the 9th century sailed west and discovered Tol Eressea and was told stories from "the book of lost tales." This was the original framing narrative for the First Age stories, long before the writing of The Lord of the Rings and even The Hobbit. Scholars in Minas Tirith also made several contributions to the appendices, as did Sam's descendants.Ī copy containing all of this material was eventually sent back to the Shire from Minas Tirith in the Fourth Age and became known as the Thain's Book, preserved in Great Smials, discovered by archaeologists and translated into modern English by J.R.R. The chapters of The Lord of the Rings in which the hobbits were not present, along with some appendices, were added by Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli in Minas Tirith they also made unspecified corrections, especially to translations. The Silmarillion is Bilbo's translation, compilation and summation of the elvish legends found in Rivendell, titled "Translations of the Elvish" (essentially performing Christopher's role in editing his father's writing). There are other Tolkien-themed subreddits out there! Say hello to our friends in the following places:īilbo: There and Back Again (The Hobbit, with the original version of Riddles in the Dark)įrodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin: The Downfall of the Lord of the Rings and the Return of the King (all of The Lord of the Rings chapters in which the hobbits are present, and the poems in The Adventures of Tom Bombadil) We're looking at starting a wiki for these common ones. Try searching before posting a new thread: odds are we've already covered some of the "classic" questions ("Who is Tom Bombadil?", "What happened to the Blue Wizards?", "Why couldn't the Eagles just take the Ring?" etc). Please make use of r/TolkienBooks and r/TolkienArt for these. Posts/comments centring entirely on promotion will be removed. You can share your content, but in a discussion-based format. Links are allowed, so long as they contribute to the discussion. No posts that are simply links or title-only. (Some more obscure topics we will allow.) There are other spaces on Reddit to discuss the movies, games, fanfiction, AI-generated content, etc. This sub is intended primarily for serious posts, although humour in discussion is still welcome.ĭon’t discuss topics that stray too far away from having the centre of attention on Tolkien and his works. ![]() ![]() Stick to the topic instead of commenting on others. No insults, and no aggressive or passive-aggressive comments. For the full descriptions of the rules, follow this link.Īlways keep in mind that we are all human beings, so treat others how you would like to be treated.
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